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| *SPOILERS* HOPEFULLY cause I'm confused |
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| POSTED Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:02:06 PM |
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| REPLIED Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:28:45 PM |
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| REPLIED Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:55:25 PM |
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| REPLIED Sunday , April 23, 2006 04:26:52 AM |
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| REPLIED Sunday , April 23, 2006 08:15:07 PM |
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| Pretty much, Silent Hill is purgatory, the dark world is hell, and Sharon and Rose [SPOILER] ended up living forever in purgatory, though whether they really died or not is open to interpretation [/SPOILER]. If I weare a jet pilot, every time I was halfway through the flight, I'd do a nose-dive
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| REPLIED Friday , May 12, 2006 06:49:21 PM |
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I didn't use anything I knew about the games to find this out. I simply payed close attention to the dialogue. I will now share a quick plot analysis, for it all came to me when I saw it for the third time.
[SPOILER] Basically, to start off, the world they are in is one created from all peoples' fears. It is more of a purgatory, and switches to hell at command of Alessa's demon. The demon is the Devil, as it says "I have many names", which can be explained by the various names in all religions the Devil is referred to. The Devil can also appear in many forms, like the snake that it seduced Eve as, or, in this case, a little girl.
This is supported by officer Gucci saying "There are many forms of justice... Even the Devil's." What this meant was that the Devil (ie: Dark Alessa) was helping Alessa with its own form of justice: Malicious death. If you think, you'll notice the Devil is afraid of the cult, as they are people of God. It is not only helping Alessa, but using her as an excuse to purge the puritans from the foggy world it lived in. This means that this Devil is a clever and insensitive one, as is commonly known to religious people and normal people alike.
This movie may even teach that evil can be a blessing in disguise. Rose could have followed the path of the fearful and blind which were pointlessly dwelling in purgatory, or the path of the Devil, which was using confused people to craft its own evil. I'd say the monsters were symbols as in the game, but I haven't got them completely figured out, unless I think to the janitor, who had been punished for his sins by the demon itself.
The Devil is a user, not a helper. It used Alessa's suffering as a chance to get back at the cult that was desperately trying to destroy it. It was using its dark world to keep them under its control until the time came when someone oblivious to its scheme came, and then it could carry out its bloody revenge.
They died when they crashed the car. The Demon used Sharon and planted memories of Alessa's terrible death into her so she would beckon Rose into silent Hill. When the devil felt them coming, it used Alessa's image crossing the street to make them crash and die so that they would be in purgatory and could help the Devil.
Basically, the ending means that Rose and Sharon are dead and not in heaven or hell but purgatory, or possibly a world where people with unfinished business on Earth go, as you can see Rose affecting physical entities on Earth throughout the movie. When Rose called Christopher on the way home, she was trying to tell him that she and Sharon were okay, but they were in another place. [/SPOILER]
Here this: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PLAY ANY OF THE GAMES TO UNDERSTAND THE MOVIE. Actually, the back plot of this movie does not apply to any of the games. It is one of those movies that require close attention to understand and, and, IMO, it is a very good movie. Roger Ebert is a good critic, but he really shouldn't have soully based his review on the bad sense he thought the movie made.
I know, though, that this wasn't all explained to you and required deep thought and concentration. I hope that in future sequels the mystery is further explained. Please join my Silent Hill forum: http://www.z3.invisionfre e.com/SH_cult_pack
I am doing restless work to stop Uwe Boll. Please help me by joining my Uwe Boll boycott. Even if you are a fan you must be mad that he is butchering your favorite games. Do not spend a single penny on his movies, whether seeing them in the theater, purchasing DVD's, or renting. Hopefully by doing this we can stop him once and for all! |
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| REPLIED Wednesday, May 17, 2006 05:05:29 PM |
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I completely reject the previous plot analysis. Here's mine, with spoilers of course:
[SPOILER] For one thing, the whole point of the movie was that there isn't such thing as God or the Devil - the religious nuts themeselves were the ones responsible for creating their own hell, not some outside, fictional character like Satan. Alessa was simply a being with extraordinary powers, and they knew it because people similar to her had been born there before, yet in their fear and fanaticism they had always burned those people up. Alessa was different because she actually lived through the ritual, and had time to grow more and more hateful until her dark side actually manifested as another person, the scary little girl, while her good side also was split off and became Sharon.
In other words, there was no such thing as good and evil, no silly mythological figures like Satan or Jesus or any of that garbage. As Rose says, there was never any apocalypse. They hurt an innocent, though powerful, person, and that's why they got trapped in a sort of "hell". Evil was entirely their own making, and if they had treated Alessa kindly, perhaps she would have gone on to use her powers to help people.
Because revenge consumes people, Alessa needed to project her good side out into the real world to protect it, and bring a mother back to rescue her from her own nightmare. They say twice that "mother is God in the eyes of the child", so Rose is very similar to God in Dante's Inferno, plucking the innocent out of pergatory and saving them from the fiery abyss.
But just because everything is symbolic of Christian mythology definitely does not mean there was actually a Devil or that any other part of that mythology literally existed in the movie. That would be pretty dumb, considering the whole point was to criticize religious fundamentalism, and point out that mythology is not literally true, that people create their own hells out of their own fears, and that people are responsible for evil, not some bogeyman.
As for the ending... I think the ending sucks. It is similar to the WORST ending in the game. Um yeah, hi Mr. Gans, the worst ending is a punishment for being a crappy player. Not sure if you knew that.
All I can think of is that Rose was able to rescue Alessa from her own hell, but the dark side (climbing the ladder) re-entered (pure) Sharon at the end. Thus the two cancel out and become a whole person again rather than polarized ideals - Sharon is now a mixture of good and evil, just like everyone else. For that reason, they are stuck in the limbo that represents purgatory. [/SPOILER] |
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| REPLIED Thursday, May 18, 2006 01:02:14 AM |
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Eshto said: I completely reject the previous plot analysis. Here's mine, with spoilers of course:
[SPOILER] For one thing, the whole point of the movie was that there isn't such thing as God or the Devil - the religious nuts themeselves were the ones responsible for creating their own hell, not some outside, fictional character like Satan. Alessa was simply a being with extraordinary powers, and they knew it because people similar to her had been born there before, yet in their fear and fanaticism they had always burned those people up. Alessa was different because she actually lived through the ritual, and had time to grow more and more hateful until her dark side actually manifested as another person, the scary little girl, while her good side also was split off and became Sharon.
In other words, there was no such thing as good and evil, no silly mythological figures like Satan or Jesus or any of that garbage. As Rose says, there was never any apocalypse. They hurt an innocent, though powerful, person, and that's why they got trapped in a sort of "hell". Evil was entirely their own making, and if they had treated Alessa kindly, perhaps she would have gone on to use her powers to help people.
Because revenge consumes people, Alessa needed to project her good side out into the real world to protect it, and bring a mother back to rescue her from her own nightmare. They say twice that "mother is God in the eyes of the child", so Rose is very similar to God in Dante's Inferno, plucking the innocent out of pergatory and saving them from the fiery abyss.
But just because everything is symbolic of Christian mythology definitely does not mean there was actually a Devil or that any other part of that mythology literally existed in the movie. That would be pretty dumb, considering the whole point was to criticize religious fundamentalism, and point out that mythology is not literally true, that people create their own hells out of their own fears, and that people are responsible for evil, not some bogeyman.
As for the ending... I think the ending sucks. It is similar to the WORST ending in the game. Um yeah, hi Mr. Gans, the worst ending is a punishment for being a crappy player. Not sure if you knew that.
All I can think of is that Rose was able to rescue Alessa from her own hell, but the dark side (climbing the ladder) re-entered (pure) Sharon at the end. Thus the two cancel out and become a whole person again rather than polarized ideals - Sharon is now a mixture of good and evil, just like everyone else. For that reason, they are stuck in the limbo that represents purgatory. [/SPOILER]
Awesome explanation and I agree with most of it. God and the Devil had nothing to do with the movie and the "hell" that they were in. Dark Alessa created everything for her, so she could get her revenge, and in that other reality, the cult believed the apocalypse had killed the world and they were the only ones alive. They believed that, and that was their reality, so that's why the church couldn't be destroyed by the demon, because of their "blind faith".
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| REPLIED Monday , May 22, 2006 12:54:47 PM |
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Eshto said: I completely reject the previous plot analysis. Here's mine, with spoilers of course:
[SPOILER] For one thing, the whole point of the movie was that there isn't such thing as God or the Devil - the religious nuts themeselves were the ones responsible for creating their own hell, not some outside, fictional character like Satan. Alessa was simply a being with extraordinary powers, and they knew it because people similar to her had been born there before, yet in their fear and fanaticism they had always burned those people up. Alessa was different because she actually lived through the ritual, and had time to grow more and more hateful until her dark side actually manifested as another person, the scary little girl, while her good side also was split off and became Sharon.
In other words, there was no such thing as good and evil, no silly mythological figures like Satan or Jesus or any of that garbage. As Rose says, there was never any apocalypse. They hurt an innocent, though powerful, person, and that's why they got trapped in a sort of "hell". Evil was entirely their own making, and if they had treated Alessa kindly, perhaps she would have gone on to use her powers to help people.
Because revenge consumes people, Alessa needed to project her good side out into the real world to protect it, and bring a mother back to rescue her from her own nightmare. They say twice that "mother is God in the eyes of the child", so Rose is very similar to God in Dante's Inferno, plucking the innocent out of pergatory and saving them from the fiery abyss.
But just because everything is symbolic of Christian mythology definitely does not mean there was actually a Devil or that any other part of that mythology literally existed in the movie. That would be pretty dumb, considering the whole point was to criticize religious fundamentalism, and point out that mythology is not literally true, that people create their own hells out of their own fears, and that people are responsible for evil, not some bogeyman.
As for the ending... I think the ending sucks. It is similar to the WORST ending in the game. Um yeah, hi Mr. Gans, the worst ending is a punishment for being a crappy player. Not sure if you knew that.
All I can think of is that Rose was able to rescue Alessa from her own hell, but the dark side (climbing the ladder) re-entered (pure) Sharon at the end. Thus the two cancel out and become a whole person again rather than polarized ideals - Sharon is now a mixture of good and evil, just like everyone else. For that reason, they are stuck in the limbo that represents purgatory. [/SPOILER]
Simply brilliant. I don't think I really thought out the meaning of the demon, although I was pretty clear with the fact that [SPOILER] The world they were in was a world of the cult's fears. [/SPOILER]
I disagree about the ending, though. It was interesting. Please join my Silent Hill forum: http://www.z3.invisionfre e.com/SH_cult_pack
I am doing restless work to stop Uwe Boll. Please help me by joining my Uwe Boll boycott. Even if you are a fan you must be mad that he is butchering your favorite games. Do not spend a single penny on his movies, whether seeing them in the theater, purchasing DVD's, or renting. Hopefully by doing this we can stop him once and for all! |
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